Something I never thought I would hear

"On Monday, an all-new Dave, with Led Zeppellin"

Looks like just a sit-down interview. . . unless there's a surprise in store. A musical guest is booked as well.

If you tune into Dave later in the week, you can see the band I saw live on Saturday night: One Direction.

One should really consider all of the possibilities before stepping into fatherhood.

Which Zep is this? They havent gone by "Led Zep" in ages, just "Plant-Page." Is JPJones back in the fold (and the zombie-fied corpse of Bonham?)

GC: How is making records these days different from the way it was done back in the '50s and '60s?

Buddy Guy: Well, Chess' first year was in something like a warehouse. It was reel to reel. This new record wasn't reel to reel, but we used about the oldest board there is. You know, there's too much technology. I get questions from people like, "How come you don't sound like you used to?" The equipment is not there. But, I don't care how well you play a blues record, the biggest problem you have is if you're black. I'm trying to open the doors to some of these big stations which refuse to play a version of this tune while Led Zeppelin can play it and burn it up. They'll call it classic. I would just like to know why. We play the same stuff.

"Led Zeppelin can play it and burn it up. They'll call it classic. I would just like to know why."

Steve Marriot could have said the same thing, and it would have been just as apropos. Zeppelin weren't just nicking the first generation, but the second as well.

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Led Zep doesnt need any defending. They were the best hard rock band ever. And those criticizing their stealing of blues licks seem to focus on only a handful of songs from 1969/1970. Where is Buddy Guy's Rain Song or The Song Remains The Same or Achillles Last Stand or Friends or Going To California or Ramble On etc etc? Even when Page copped a simple blue or shuffle lick, he laid the army of guitars on and on and made something new out of it. Not to mention that drum sound. I love Buddy Guy, but it's stupid to criticize Led Zep for stealing from the blues in my opinion.



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"but it's stupid to criticize Led Zep for stealing from the blues in my opinion."

Not to mention completely and utterly accurate and spot-on.

"They were the best hard rock band ever."

I agree with you, but only in a parallel universe where the Who and a couple of other bands don't exist.

(post-script: "Ramble On" is great until that shit about Gollum.)

@Erik, Make a list of all Led Zep songs. Cross off the ones that you think too directly steal from blues artists or prior rock artists. Use whatever standard you have during this exercise. I guarantee you what is left is an astonishing career output. Sometimes the everyman gets it right.

As for The Who...I love them as much as anyone, and at their height were beyond amazing, but we are really only talking about a handful of singles, 2 rock operas, and 2 non-opera albums, arent we? A Get The Who Out radio show would be pretty repetitive, eh?



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"Ramble On" is great until that shit about Gollum.

> And those criticizing their stealing of blues licks seem to focus on only a handful of songs from 1969/1970.
> Even when Page copped a simple blue or shuffle lick, he laid the army of guitars on and on and made something new out of it.

Last line of JP's Rolling Stone interview (which is not a tenth as good as TP's was, BTW, look it up on the web): "I do Jimmy Page better than anybody".

Lou Reed, 1978: "I do Lou Reed better than anybody"

I guess Jimmy's right.

list:
"Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant."
"Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch.
"Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson).
"Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."
"Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."
"Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes).
"Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."
"How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King's "The Hunter."
"In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut).
"The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70s and settled out of court.
"Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.
"Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.
"Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.
"Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit.
"White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."
"Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love."
"When the Levee Breaks" is a blues song written and first recorded by husband and wife Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie in 1929
I'm not listing covers that the band credited to the actual authors ("You Shook Me") or the less blatant ripoffs (the "Superstition" riff in "Trampled Underfoot").
No one is saying they are the only ones stealing riffs and lyrics.
Check out the Stones and Dylan ("Traditional, arranged by Bob Dylan" is the same thing).
Just thought it was ironic to see Buddy Guy hanging with the Zeps when I have heard him bitch about riff stealing and song stealing during several of his concerts as he did mention Led Zeppelin in particular.
About the Who rant........ way off base. Sorry you are missing that one.

No offense meant, just my 2 cents :

Never got them and it didn't have anything to do with stealing because God knows the Stones stole as much as anybody and I love them (through Exile) to death.

I think if I say "I hate Led Zeppelin" it wouldn't even come remotely close to describing my feelings towards them. They never meant anything to me, I never got what people liked about them either. They always seemed the antithesis of Rock and Roll in that they seemed lumbering and self-serious, a joyless spectacle.

Never saw anything fun or exciting in them. The only way I would have liked that band is if they were an instrumental trio without that "singer" because I do love say the beginning of "Rock and Roll" before that castrated duck starts babbling about God knows what.

But aside from personal taste - I don't agree with Buddy Guy - you don't play the same kind of stuff, because it's the differences that always make the difference. I like alot of Jack White's work and obviously he owes a debt to Zeppelin, but that isn't going to make me suddenly go against what my ears tell me.

The kids who dug Zeppelin's approximation of the Blues (or the Stones or whomever you'd like to insert here), dug its differences too not its authenticity - necessarily.



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Love this:

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They always seemed the antithesis of Rock and Roll in that they seemed lumbering and self-serious, a joyless spectacle.

I know some other music forums where if you uttered this phrase you'd have masses of middle aged white guys stroking out in a paroxysmal fit of confusion and rage. It would probably even kill a few.

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I know some other music forums where if you uttered this phrase you'd have masses of middle aged white guys stroking out in a paroxysmal fit of confusion and rage. It would probably even kill a few.

Darwinism.

Did anyone watch the letterman episode? Did they have all 3 band members out there on the chair?

I have heard people mention the Spirit comparison for years but never had Spotify or anything to check it out.
There is a ten second arpeggio played 4 times in the song that is definitely a part of the main guitar part in the beginning of Stairway. Jimmy Page takes it and expands it to a much more full, satisfying, accomplished piece... I'd imagine Spirit and their handful of fans freaked when they heard Stairway.