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Re: Adam Ant worth owning?

Adam Ant worth owning?
November 14, 2005 06:57PM
I've felt for a few years that I oughta own SOMETHING by Adam and/or the Ants. Any strong feelings on what's the one album to have?

And speaking of which, Marco Perroni has certainly not aged all that well, as evidenced by his appearance in the IFC Punk Attitude film. Yeesh....
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 14, 2005 08:21PM
Among Adam Ant's regular-issue LPs, *Kings of the Wild Frontier* has the best yield of enjoyable songs. But that album doesn't include "Stand and Deliver" or "Goody Two Shoes," and if you care enough about Adam to pick up anything at all by him, you really do need those two songs, IMO.

The compilation *Antics in the Forbidden Zone* will do the job quite nicely.
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 14, 2005 11:39PM
Dirk Wears White Socks is the most honest. It's often noted that what made them famous in the UK was their live show, after the development of their sound; the thunderous duel 'tribal' drums propped high in the live mix. Though the album has poor production in this regard as well as much filler, KOTWF is likely their quintessential LP. After this came the commercial 80s-sounding ne wave/pop period of which they are known for in the US. It is discardable except in that vein. The rhythm section did its best work as Bow Wow Wow on 'See Jungle!'which is at least as good as any Ants release. Answer?
Historically? No.
Kitcsh value? Increasing.

And now an anecdote.
In college I was once dispatched to an 'Indian' reservation in the west. Natives are known to be quiet/stoic, particularly amongst whites. I was giving two young men a silent ride and the end track of KOTWF came up on a mix tape. It's lyrics:: 'Blackfoot Pawnee Cheyenne Crow! Ap-a-che, Arapaho!'. I was seriously wondering if I should eject the tape (they were members of one of the mentioned tribes). The two tripping (they later explained) natives fell out of the car laughing themselves into hysterics.

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Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 15, 2005 04:51PM
Heh, well I don't have any great stories like paganizer, but when I was a kid, "Dirk Wear White Sox" was my fave Ant album. Although it was an import, the legendary Rodney Bingenheimer played the whole thing on his "Rodney on the ROQ" show, which I taped. (Thanks, Rodney!)

"Sox" is pre-New Romantic, indian make-up/tribal drums Ants, when they were just a down-n-dirty New Wave rock band.

You can't go wrong with "Kings Of The Wild Frontier" for prime New-Ro Ants, and I used to love alot of "Prince Charming." Not much after that, tho.
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 15, 2005 07:13PM
there is something humor in adam ant singing 'stand and deliver!'
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 15, 2005 09:38PM
Sounds like if I can find that early best-of for a few bucks, that would probably suit my purposes. It probably really is only the handful of singles that I'd wanna hear anyway and it's not like I'd need to hear KOTWF in its full and original running order to appreciate the masterwork that it is. Thanks, folks.
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 16, 2005 02:48AM
"It's your money I'm after, Baby"

Title of a Wonder Stuff song.
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 16, 2005 08:53PM
The B-side to "Stand and Deliver" is "Beat My Guest," actually a pretty durn good song, covered to great effect by Superchunk.

For me, any Adam Ant greatest hits package would do, especially if it includes the song "Naked."

"I saw a lady and she was naked / I saw a lady she had no clooooooothes on." Dumb as hell, but so are most of Ant's best songs. I know it appears on the great British punk comp Burning Ambitions ...
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 15, 2005 10:24PM
I beg to differ with Paganizer, that *Dirk Wears White Sox* is "the most honest" Adam & the Ants LP. True, *Dirk* is less obviously commercial that the recordings that followed ... but that doesn't necessarily make it more honest.

On *Kings of the Wild Frontier*, in the song "Jolly Roger," the group sings, "It's your money that we want/And your money we shall have!"

From a "commercial '80s new wave/pop" group's point of view, what could be more honest than that?
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 15, 2005 08:53PM
Oh man, what a topic.

How to answer the question? Could I recommend that somebody go out and buy an Adam and The Ants record? Not really. But then again, neither would I feel comfortable instructing someone to buy The Carpenters Greatest Hits. However, upon reflection, I would probably enjoy myself somewhat listening to either of them.

Funny that you should mention the fact that Stand and Deliver is not included on Kings of The Wild Frontier. It was included under the shrink-wrap, lying on the cover, as a bonus 45 with the LP version I bought in late '81 or early '82. Remember when record companies used to do that once in a while? smiling smiley I considered it a major bonus and it probably induced me to plunk down my $7.50 for it over something like Split Enz's True Colours. I wonder what was on the B-side of that 45? I bet I still have it tucked into the LP sleeve.

So, are you someone who believes in Antmusic for Sexpeople or Sexmusic for Antpeople?

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Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 15, 2005 09:58PM
Went back and listened to the 3 eras. Still prefer Dirk Wears White Socks to the two later eras. But the Stand and Deliver-era lyrics can't be beat for kitsch value::

I’m the dandy highwayman who you’re too scared to mention
I spend my cash on looking flash and grabbing your attention!
The devil take your stereo and your record collection
The way you look you’ll qualify for next year’s old age pension!
We’re the dandy highwaymen so tired of excuses
Of deep meaning philosophies where only showbiz loses
We’re the dandy highwaymen and here’s our invitation:
Throw your safety overboard and join our insect nation!
Da diddley quah quah da diddley quah quah
Da diddley quah quha da diddley quah quah

Those silly brits with their clothes and make-up. I really wish the trend would inform NASCAR.

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Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 16, 2005 02:23PM
that's hilarious!
i remember around '81-'82 that a bunch of bands who were passing thru d.c. had similarly structured names including 'adam and the ants,' 'martha and the muffins,' and 'echo and the bunnymen.' and you could get in the adam ant show if you dressed-up like an 'antperson,' - if i had gone, i might have worn attenaes.
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 16, 2005 04:10PM
Oh that reminds me - you have to track down a video of Adam and crew on "American Bandstand." There were "Antpeople" in the audience, leading a straight-faced Dick Clark to intone in all seriousness, "It's a way of life to a lot of people."
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 17, 2005 01:10AM
Sparks always had great American Bandstand appearances, especially once when Dick Clark made the mistake of handing Ron Mael his microphone while he tried on Russell's jacket.

And of course, the PiL appearance was legendary - Lydon didn't even attempt to lip synch, and spent most of his time shoving horrified audience members onto the dance floor in attempt to force them to figure how the hell to dance to "Poptones."

I also liked when the pre-popularity "Come on Eileen" showed up on a Rate a Record and the doof rated it low because it "sounded too much like ELO."
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 18, 2005 02:36PM
When Madness did AB they were on the floor dancing to Foreigner before they did their lip synch bit. It was fucking hillarious. Dick Clark looked confused.
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 18, 2005 06:45PM
I remember reading in John Cale's autobiography that the band that he and Lou Reed were in prior to the Velvets were on AB to promote the Ostrich. I wish that Dick Clark will release this as well as the other moments in this thread on DVD

Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 19, 2005 03:44AM
i remember dick clark on ab replaying a performance of kc and the sunshine band and saying he always wondered where the singer got all his energy from.
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 19, 2005 09:02PM
i have a copy of hullabaloo with doug sahm (my new hero) doing the Freddie at end of show with Freddie and the dreamers


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Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 19, 2005 09:02PM
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 20, 2005 01:38PM
Adam Ant's stuff is the reason they invented internet file downloading. I'd never waste $ on an Adam Ant compilation, when there are only about 4-5 songs you need. Wait for the Rhino Hi-Five collection.
Otherwise, Stand and Deliver is a bloody hilarious song, and Antmusic has a great hook. Goody Two Shoes has a memorable appearance by Caroline Munro in the video, and the film Nomads (about evil eskimos!!) has one of his best performances off stage.
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
November 22, 2005 03:54AM
i remember that ira robbins wrote the cd sleeve notes in an adam ant compilation.
Re: Adam Ant worth owning?
January 06, 2006 04:48AM
I finally got "Antics in the Forbidden Zone" off Ebay for $4 delivered and it seems like it'll be all I need ( and then some).

Josefina is right: Mr. Robbins wrote the liner notes for it and one gets the distinct feeling that he was stifling a chuckle for much of it. I am mortified to learn that AA sang "Where Did Our Love Go?" on the Motown 25th anniversary TV special in 1983. That must've been a sight to behold....
Re: Adam Ant worth owning and random post-punk musings?
January 07, 2006 01:42AM
I just located the cd reissue of the original version of DIRK WEARS WHITE SOCKS which has bonus tracks up the wazoo. Am pleasantly surprised by how much I like it now, considering how much I hated it the first time I heard it back in 1981 or whenever. But back then I was expecting Antmusic, and not minimalist post-punk. I'm not going to make an argument that it's a great lost classic or anything, but it ain't half bad, either.

Of course, age and nostalgia now make any sort of British post-punk sound wonderful. And how the hell did I go over 20 years without EVER actually hearing Killing Joke? Geez. But oh well, kind of happy about that, actually - the reissues are giving me a chance to discover them and even though some of the current post-punk revivalists are good, they still don't measure up to the originals. So it's great to have a few out there that I can still discover.

Think I'll focus on the Au Pairs next. Or maybe the Passage.
Re: Adam Ant worth owning and random post-punk musings?
January 07, 2006 03:38AM
That's interesting, I was just having a look at the entry for The Passage. I liked the sound they got with usually just drums guitar and keyboards and I liked how a lot of the basslines were played on piano. That song 'Shave Your Head' (on For All And None?) is great.

After the Au Pairs and The Passage, maybe move on to Josef K and the Fire Engines. I can guarantee Franz Ferdinand wouldn't exist without those bands.
Re: Adam Ant worth owning and random post-punk musings?
January 07, 2006 05:59AM
Funny you should mention the Au Pairs. I remembered semi-liking them when I bought the "Urgh - A Music War" album back in the early 80s (and weren't they also on the "Life in the European Theater" comp?), but then when I recently got the DVD of the movie, I thought they were pretty terrible.

Killing Joke is amazing, however. "What's THIS For?" is a really great album.
Re: Adam Ant worth owning and random post-punk musings?
January 07, 2006 10:52AM
Yes, that and the first album. I used to listen to it a lot when I first started high school and it was about the same time I started getting NME every week and I couldn’t understand why that publication was so down on them. Even when What’s THIS For? came out, any wraps they gave it were extremely grudgingly. All these years later and they are seen as an extremely influential band and an important one. I saw them in the mid 80s and it’s one of the best gigs I’ve ever seen.
Re: Adam Ant worth owning and random post-punk musings?
January 07, 2006 12:37PM
I seem to remember at the time that Killing Joke was usually dismissed as a heavy metal band, so that's probably why I generally never bothered checking them out.

Of course, I remember Joy Division was often referred to as a metal band at the time, also (I think Steven Grant called them one in TP, in fact), which caused me to not have a real sense of urgency in hearing them, either. (Egad - I still remember the day in 1981 - I was a senior in high and went into the used record store and they had used import copies of CLOSER and the first Spandau Ballet album and I opted for the Ballet. Ah, youth!)

Anyhow, when I finally heard JD (well, not finally - it was probably a month later), I strained to hear where the hell the heavy metal was in it. I realize that 70s metal was a different beast than what it became in the 80s, but still....the first Def Leppard album came out around that time, too - THAT was metal. But Joy Division????? And now finally hearing Killing Joke, I'm back to wondering WTF? about the metal categorization.

Josef K were indeed great. Orange Juice - I had one of their albums back in college and liked it but at some point someone else took a liking to it and it disappeared. But I haven't listened to them in years and should try to track down some of their stuff again.
Re: Adam Ant worth owning and random post-punk musings?
January 07, 2006 05:23PM
Well, in an extreme instance of "WTF?", I distinctly remember Frankie Goes To Hollywood being referred to as a heavy metal band when they arrived on the scene! Maybe it was just that dumbass Holly Johnson who made that proclamation himself, but even at that time, I thought it was patently ridiculous.
Re: Adam Ant worth owning and random post-punk musings?
January 08, 2006 02:54AM
I remember the NME referring to Killing Joke as "gothic punk" and lumping them in with Bauhaus. It was the first time I ever heard the "G" word in terms of music. Naturally I had no idea what was to come.
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