Most Universally Despised Almost every artist who has been savaged on this board has also had their defenders - for instance, I've spoken up on behalf of Johnny Mellencamp on several occasions, and have also had a kind word or two for Springsteen and Corgan when they were taking their lumps. Others have leapt to the defense of hair metal in general (although admittedly it was something along the lines of "Well, hair metal sounds pretty good if you compare it to what passes for metal now"), Rush and even the Bollock Brothers. And nobody better dis Bryan Adams when Ira's in the house. But there's one band that as far as I know has never had any advocates on this board, which leads to the question....are the Eagles the most universally despised group in TP Land? https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16757#msg-16757 Sat, 06 Jun 2026 23:41:18 -0500 Phorum 5.2.23 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16862#msg-16862 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16862#msg-16862
]]> Delvin Trouser Press Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:53:48 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16850#msg-16850 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16850#msg-16850
Mysogynisic tendencies aside. I shall explain. I mistook your discription of 'behind' personal. My bad. I'm sorry, I get protective over the chickies.

Anyway, your writing is solid and enjoyable. KEEP IT UP!



Post Edited (11-01-08 20:34)]]> STEVE Trouser Press Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:33:57 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16839#msg-16839 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16839#msg-16839 Rocky Horror, it wasn't the movie; it was a stage production. I was a college freshman, and some friends with an extra ticket invited me. I knew nothing about it, but agreed to go (probably because there were several girls in that particular crowd I was interested in). When I showed up, I was wearing ordinary clothes; everyone else was dressed up as the garish, flamboyant characters. I was dumb-founded ... and it didn't clear things up when they got over their disappointment in me by saying, "Oh well, you can be Brad."

When we got there, the audience was wall-to-wall Rocky Horror characters. It was such a wild night of pandemonium all around me, I could hardly comprehend any of the action on stage. I sure did love the music, though.

Since then, I've seen the midnight movie at least 30 times. I've taken some very fun dates to the movie, including my wife. I took my sister to the movie her first time, teaching her the dance steps to "The Time Warp" before we went. I've gotten quite a bit of applause at more than one party doing karaoke to "Sweet Transvestite." (It's all about attitude, baby.)

Having said all that, Hoip is right. Taken objectively, without the audience participation, The Rocky Horror Picture Show is a lousy movie. Watching it on video at home is an ordeal; I can't imagine keeping the DVD, even if I got it for free. The soundtrack, however, always will have a place in my music collection.

]]> Delvin Trouser Press Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:52:26 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16837#msg-16837 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16837#msg-16837
> Speaking of Meat Loaf, I never got into Rocky Horror. I saw
> it once, and that was enough. It's an overrated piece of shit.


girl too me to a midnight showing for a first date several years ago. there was no second date. and thought very seriously about sneaking out of the first date while she was throwing toast at the screen or some such nonsense. egads]]> satchmykels Trouser Press Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:17:36 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16832#msg-16832 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16832#msg-16832 Rio is a pretty good album.]]> rhettlawrence Trouser Press Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:31:02 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16822#msg-16822 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16822#msg-16822 hoip chiggs Trouser Press Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:29:20 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16821#msg-16821 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16821#msg-16821
So...I, too, despise The Eagles. And Perry Farrell. And The Doors. And most everyone else cited thus far. Some, however, don't really get why anyone would dislike them (Corgan/Punkins, Journey, Bon Jovi, the Loaf of Meat), which kind of makes me hate them all the more. Re. the Dead and Pink Floyd, neither are my cup of tea, but I've never felt oppressed enough to care very much. Everyone else that's been mentioned: eh.

Duran Duran, anyone?]]> Jermoe Trouser Press Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:51:03 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16809#msg-16809 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16809#msg-16809
By deductive reasoning, I've picked the most universally unfunny comic on the planet. Friday's Mark Blankfield.



Post Edited (10-30-08 21:12)]]> hoip chiggs Trouser Press Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:09:32 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16808#msg-16808 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16808#msg-16808
and just in time to trick and treat.

brilliant mj!]]> STEVE Trouser Press Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:05:34 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16804#msg-16804 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16804#msg-16804
Quote

To come full circle, his Philadelphia Soul sucks.

What do you have against Philly soul?!

firmly agree about Yawn Jon Bovi.

Meatloaf makes me want to 'pulse' blend my own appendages. Phil Collins doing Motown or anything black makes me want to accelerate onto crowded sidewalks. The mere sight of The Nuge reverses my opposition to capital punishment. Top 40 after 1989 makes me want to lock children in underground rat-filled dungeons and deny the holocaust.

]]> mjm716 Trouser Press Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:36:18 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16803#msg-16803 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16803#msg-16803 sorry mate,
thats toby keith.



Post Edited (10-30-08 16:23)]]> STEVE Trouser Press Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:21:34 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16795#msg-16795 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16795#msg-16795
Q: What did the raver say after he came down off of Ecstasy?

A: Why is the dj playing all this shitty music?]]> MrFab Trouser Press Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:56:32 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16794#msg-16794 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16794#msg-16794
To come full circle, his Philadelphia Soul sucks.]]> hoip chiggs Trouser Press Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:07:04 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16793#msg-16793 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16793#msg-16793
Of course, this doesn't make his music any easier to listen to - the boy band/Bon Jovi hybrid "It's My Life" makes my gorge rise.]]> Michael Toland Trouser Press Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:03:58 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16792#msg-16792 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16792#msg-16792 Freaks and Geeks. Beyond that, I am grateful to do without the Dead.]]> breno Trouser Press Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:40:47 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16791#msg-16791 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16791#msg-16791 A: Who are these guys? They suck.

After years of resistance, I finally succumbed to American Beauty. Can't listen to anything else, though.]]> willie Trouser Press Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:49:54 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16788#msg-16788 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16788#msg-16788 ratboy Trouser Press Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:28:08 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16787#msg-16787 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16787#msg-16787 Michael Toland Trouser Press Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:17:15 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16786#msg-16786 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16786#msg-16786
I don't care for the Eagles now and I can trace it to one person - Don Henley. He has to be the perfect example of the pretentious rocker.

]]> Heff Trouser Press Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:13:18 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16785#msg-16785 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16785#msg-16785 Michael Toland Trouser Press Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:44:14 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16784#msg-16784 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16784#msg-16784
So light the fire and let her burn!]]> hoip chiggs Trouser Press Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:22:11 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16783#msg-16783 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16783#msg-16783


Post Edited (10-29-08 08:51)]]> erikalbany Trouser Press Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:07:03 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16782#msg-16782 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16782#msg-16782
I think you're taking for granted the gifts The Doors gave us. Ray Manzarek's morbid, smokey, acid-circus organ. Morrison's writhing leather pants, which, if touched by Moses's staff, could turn into cobras. Robbie Krieger's zombie expression as he noodled his guitar. And John Densmore's drumming, which, well, kept the beat.

Yeah, Jim's ego nearly ruined the band. Yeah, a lot of Jim's lyrics were bad acid doggerel poesy, ring around the rosey type shit. I still can't get over the bad grammar of "You know they are a liar." But beneath these faults lie real vision. Their reptile psycho-sexual nihilism pervert vibe still resonates with me. Sometimes I write Doors-inspired lyrics of my own. Dig:

Anyway, I was walking through the desert and decided to hitch a ride. An old Indian picked me up and cast a spell on me. He let me off and then I met an ancient rattlesnake. We spoke with our minds. I then met a fair, naked, Indian maiden. We cut our veins and exchanged blood after making love.

Morrison & Co. inspired Nico, who took their vision to places even The Doors couldn't go.

The spirits of MorrisonManzarekKriegerDinsmore move me.



Post Edited (10-28-08 23:04)]]> hoip chiggs Trouser Press Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:51:08 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16779#msg-16779 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16779#msg-16779 ira Trouser Press Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:22:16 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16778#msg-16778 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16778#msg-16778
But hell, the prom king for my class (class of 81) was not only NOT a jock, he was an unrepentant Lord of the Rings/sci-fi geek with a brother named Alvin who used to ride a bicycle around town smoking a pipe. So I think my class in school was maybe a bit unusual.

We had a pretty kickass school mascot, too. The Piasa Bird: "The Devourer of Men."



We may now return to our regularly scheduled programming.]]> breno Trouser Press Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:53:00 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16777#msg-16777 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16777#msg-16777
I still like Rush, still like some Kansas, will occasionally listen to Styx, depending on the song on the radio, but can no longer stand Steve Perry's voice, so Journey is out.

But it was my interest in those bands that made me a music obsessive, reading the rags (which where I lived meant Rolling Stone), which led me to start buying the records they reviewed that I thought I might like (Smithereens and Richard Thompson were the biggies that got me off the classic rock train), which led me to the cool record stores in Houston (an hour away from where I lived) and mags like Alternative Press and The Big Takeover and record guides like Trouser Press, which became a bible to me...so I can't diss those bands too much. I wouldn't be on this board today without them.]]> Michael Toland Trouser Press Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:43:52 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16776#msg-16776 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16776#msg-16776
That's probably a reason why I still hate the fake rock so much. I have virtually no nostalgia for high school. (Moving to a new state during the teenage years has that effect, sometimes.)

Actually, the new home itself (New Orleans) was not so bad. My family and I got into the fishing, the boating and water-skiing, and the food. And it was cool to be able to go to the Mardi Gras.

As for my high school there, and my classmates ... well, the less said, the better. Believe me, I will never "make peace" with Styx, Journey or Supertramp.

In fairness, if any of those people happen to read this, they probably regard me the same way.

]]> Delvin Trouser Press Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:56:00 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16775#msg-16775 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16775#msg-16775
But still, that nostalgia has its limits, and that limit seems to be the Eagles. Something like "Heartache Tonight" fills me with as much animosity now as it did in 1979 or whenever it came out. Hell, I have a softer spot in my heart for the Little River Band than I do those LA douchebags. I've grown to like (well, like might be too strong a word - peacefully coexist with is more accurate) most of the other 70s country rock types like Poco and Pure Prairie League, but I don't know that I can ever make peace with the Eagles.

Agree about the majority of Nu Metal. I'd be hard pressed to think of a genre that produced less of value than that one, although as always I have to footnote that with a shout out to the Deftones and to a lesser extent System of a Down. Two worthwhile bands that managed to claw their way out of a worthless category.]]> breno Trouser Press Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:45:53 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16774#msg-16774 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16774#msg-16774
I love Rush -- always have, always will.

Madonna's best songs definitely have staying power. Same goes for the Eagles, Mellencamp and Springsteen.

Limp Bizkit, Korn, Slipknot and their ilk definitely suck. The less said about them, the better.

For me, though, the most despicable acts in rock history remain the late-'70s/early-'80s groups that pretty much all my high school classmates (except the ones who were into disco) liked the most: Styx, Journey, Supertramp, REO Speedwagon et al. My brother and I labeled that strain of music "fake rock," around the time we discovered Blondie, T. Heads, the B-52's, Devo and Elvis Costello.

]]> Delvin Trouser Press Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:07:57 -0500 https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16773#msg-16773 Re: Most Universally Despised https://trouserpress.com/forum/read.php?1,16757,16773#msg-16773
Celine, Rush, Limp Bizkit, Yes, etc, haven't had the deleterious effect on music the Eagles did. I could not name more then two songs by any of them. But the Eagles' ubiquity, their status as flagship for the Rolling Stone aesthetic, and how we're all supposed to say how great they were*, created a juggernaut of shallow '70s faux-country smarm that, almost single-handedly, made punk necessary.

So...if they made punk happen, I guess we should thank them..?


*astounded co-worker to me: "I thought everyone liked the Eagles?!"]]> MrFab Trouser Press Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:23:04 -0500